Note: This is part 2 of our conversation with Michael Ortner. In the second part of our conversation, Michael Ortner discusses what initially attracted him to the CLT mission and the role standardized testing plays in shaping school curricula. He also discusses his other initiatives such as B. school, a Bootcamp specially designed to help humanities graduates enter the business world. Michael explains that the business world is in dire need of philosophy students and that B. school helps bridge the gap between them. He also discusses his work with Run with Saints – a project that helps practicing Catholics, especially students, connect with thriving Catholic communities and institutions.